Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued

Posted By: Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com (209.66.83.101)
Wednesday, 16 June 1999, at 4:06 p.m.

Lawsuit Filed in Federal Court: The following Lawsuit was filed on behalf of
Randy Olson by his prominent San Francisco Attorney Christopher
Katzenbach, the son of Nicholas Katzenbach former Attorney General of
the United States during the Johnson Administration. The Suit was filed
against United Parcel Service and Chuck Mack's, Teamsters Local 70 in
Oakland, California. Mr. Mack is Secretary Treasure of local 70, President
of Joint Council 7 and West Coast Vice President of the International
Brotherhood of Teamsters. Randy was Mr. Mack's opponent in the 1995
Secretary Treasure Election. Are Teamsters Local 70's actions retaliatory
against Mr. Olson? You be the judge! The Suit is self explanatory. CLICK
LINK BELOW

Re:Randy's friends banged in head

Posted By: SacTmstr@aol.com <SacTmstr@aol.com (spider-tl021.proxy.aol.com)
Thursday, 17 June 1999, at 2:24 a.m.

In Response To: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (Friends of Randy Olson)

Randy's friends must have been banged in the head too. I went to the link
in the above to find that Randy had been suffereing from a head injury. The
company did the nasty to him and the local filed a grievance. The complaint
in this is that the grievance panel went and put Randy down. But that is not
what the intent of this post is trying to share...rather they want to attack
Chuck Mack and local 70. They are implying that Mack was on the panel
upholding the companies position...NOT SO!...and these yahoos know it.

Should Randy have gone down? I don't know the facts so I can't say. Is he
a good Teamster? Don't know that either...but if he is, then what a shame
that his friends are using his misfortune to sling mud at Chuck Mack and
Local 70. Stick to the facts friends of Randy...perhaps that is why your
friend Randy went down...he listened to friends like you who don't seem to
care about the facts and only look at his plight as an opportunity to fling
mud in your political enemies face.

You owe Chuck Mack, Local 70 and Randy an apology for this pile of
manure you pitched in a stinking heap.

Re:Randy's friends banged in head

Posted By: Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com (209.66.83.101)
Thursday, 17 June 1999, at 4:27 a.m.

In Response To: Re:Randy's friends banged in head (SacTmstr@aol.com)

You sound to me like a person who is not afraid to speak your mind. If you
had received this kind of treatment from Big Brown you would raise hell.
Also, if you lost a decision at a grievance panel and you were fired in a
case that was a sure win, you would be the one suing. UPS was blatantly
in violation of the law and the contract. Local 70 had to work real hard to
loose this grievance. You have been around awhile and you know that the
grievance process is easily rigged. The grievance process is a back room
deal. We all know that. Big Brown and local 70 have manure to spare.
Mack and his crowd are renowned experts at being naughty little stinkers
when they want to be. Chuck Mack is smart and he calls the shots in the
Bay Area. Randy's grievance would have been won easily if that had been
what he wanted. Let us see what happens in court and what the jury
decides. Randy will win, that is for sure. What is a shame is that Randy has
to go to the court to get simple justice.

Re:Randy's got tanked!

Posted By: Lizzy (dynamic591.ply.adelphia.net)
Thursday, 17 June 1999, at 10:46 a.m.

In Response To: Re:Randy's friends banged in head (Friends of Randy Olson)

In reviewing Randy's side of the story, it appears that UPS took steps to rid
themselves of a worker that they knew would not have the support of the
Union to get his job back. UPS is the enemy and it's unfortunate that this
business agent did nothing more than go through the motions. In light of the
fact that Randy presented political opposition to the local officers, he
should have taken more steps to protect himself. Even though the contract
did not state that he was obligated to put communications in writing, I
would have taken that step. I don't know what the role of the local president
was in this case, however he should have met for discussion with the
member and the business agent, after numerous request were made by
Randy. The blame surely lies with UPS, up to their usual tactics against
Union members and this weak business agent for allowing this to happen.
With the facts that you presented on the web site, it appears that the
business agent did not do his job. I don't like to see members sue the
Union, however in this case, Randy is left with no choice. He deserved
representation and support from his local no matter what side of the
political fence he was on.

I hope Randy is successful and wins his job back. I also hope this business
agent looses his job.

Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued

Posted By: SacTmstr@aol.com <SacTmstr@aol.com (spider-tk021.proxy.aol.com)
Thursday, 17 June 1999, at 11:17 p.m.

In Response To: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (Friends of Randy Olson)

I took you up on your offer once more...the one that says "you be the
judge." Well, it is wrong to make a decision based on ones political views or
lack thereof. Your claim that the Local 70 Business Agent was incompetent
or that the process was deliberately rigged seems pretty weak. Why do I
say that? Is it because I think well of Mack or Freitas? Is it because I
support Hoffa? Is it because you supported Carey or Leedham and didn't
support Mack or Hoffa?

Nope. First of all the duty of fair representation by the local does not mean
that the Business Agent has to be competent. That is the law. If Randy
Olson is ever to hope to be the principal officer of Local 70 or any other
local he should know that already. That has been a very good thing for
many of the TDU types that Carey and his TDU dominated Executive
Board members like Leedham have appointed because their elevators
generally stopped short of the top floor no matter how well intended. That
does not mean that Freitas was incompetent either just because Randy
Olson and/or his friends play Monday morning quarterback. That is a bad
game to be playing in our union whether your leader is TDU or Hates TDU.
It undermines our leadership.

Your post undermines the leadership and membership of Local 70 and it
further undermines the Joint Council 7 panel. It basically claims that at best
the people involved were incompetent or at the worst that Randy was
deliberately tanked. He may well have been. However, if the defense
Randy mounted at his hearing was as weak as the one he is putting
forward on this board then it may be that was the cause. If it looked like
Randy was hiding behind his politics and under Mother Paff's TDU skirt
which is what this post sounds like then why would a panel even bother to
hear the facts.

If you have a case then present the case. When you present your political
position whether it is for Carey or against him, for Leedham or against, for
Hoffa or against, etc. etc. then the panel is going to think that is the basis
for your case and not the facts you need to win back your job. If you were
on trial for shoplifting on Monday in California and you could prove you
were out of the country that day would you be arguing that you are being
arrested for your voting Republican in the last election? No matter how
righteous Randy may have been, I still take offense to your posts here. If he
was innocent then best wishes and stick to the facts of your case in the
future if given the opportunity.

Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued

Posted By: Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com (209.66.83.101)
Friday, 18 June 1999, at 1:40 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (SacTmstr@aol.com)

Everyone will have their chance to speak and tell their story in court to a
jury. Randy's lawyer is very sharp and before he took this case he checked
the facts and He is confident. The ducks are in a row. We will keep
everyone informed every step of the way as this case unfolds.

Re: Randy's friends miss ship!

Posted By: SacTmstr@aol.com <SacTmstr@aol.com (spider-tk061.proxy.aol.com)
Friday, 18 June 1999, at 11:34 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (Friends of Randy Olson)

I am glad you feel that the ducks are all in a row. Is it a whole family of
ducks with mother and baby ducks all together? Bet they go quack. There
better be something in this besides what you have posted. If Randy lost his
job because of taking ill advice from his friends then shame on you...and if
your posting is all he has for facts on his side you might as well tell him you
will get together with all of your friends and an oar in each of your hands so
that you can row the Titantic off of the bottom of the ocean floor.

You are putting this case in front of the NLRB. You will get zip against your
local unless you can show untimeliness or they sign some kind of
confession that they deliberately tanked him. No cofession is going to take
place as you well know and you haven't raised any issues of timeliness.
Your bantering against your local leadership is childish, petty and
disgraceful...save that for election time if at all.

If you look at the other half of the case then you will have to claim that UPS
treated Randy in a disparate manner because of his protected union
activities. Saying that he is a steward and UPS doesn't like stewards won't
be enough. UPS doesn't like lots of stewards and they aren't necessarily
firing them. The stretch that UPS was supporting Hoffa is laughable and
pathetic. If anything, UPS was in bed with Carey and TDU. Shame on you if
you believe that UPS supports or has ever supported Hoffa. Shame on you
more if you realize what a sham this is and you are trying to deliberately
spread misinformation. TDU calls that spreading the word. A more accurate
term is spreading manure.

If you are really truly interested in helping Randy and are truly his friends
then it is time to focus on getting him his job back and not taking political
jabs, crying over your political ego having an ouch and roll up your sleeves.

If Randy got fired for stealing, under the influence, fighting, etc., etc. ....any
of the normal things that get you fired it doesn't matter if UPS admits they
hate his guts for being a Steward or activist. The NLRB will uphold his
discharge if he is guilty of these offenses and rightfully so. The NLRB is not
for us to play games with, nor hide behind if we are actually guilty of
something that we would have been fired for anyhow if we were a company
suck up and they loved us to pieces. If you are doing that then you are
playing into the hands of those that hate unions and the rights to have
protection for unlawful retribution for our protected union activities. You
might as well be one of the UPS scabs that #####d out to the National
Right to Work attorney group to sue the union for their "protected" rights to be sacks of crap and scab. In my back yard the TDU boys have also
hopped into bed with these same attorneys that hate Unions and the middle
class with a vengeance....have you hopped in bed with them too? Is your
attorney one of those bottom feeders? Hope not.

If you want to save your Bro. start working on facts that will show that the
company knew of his being an Union activist and steward. It shouldn't be
hard if he ran for office...they will probably admit to seeing flyers that he
was running for office or a list naming him as a steward, etc. Once you can
prove their knowledge in this area the task will shift to showing that the
company disciplined him in a way that was significantly more severe than
other people who were not union activists and that they were aware of this.
The more often and more severe the better. Don't think that because you
find a single instance somewhere that a person got off and Randy didn't
that you have a winner. Don't let some TDU/Convoy/Jailhouse Lawyer type
blow smoke up your tail and tell you that you have a winner because you
find an isolated case somewhere. Ever try telling a judge that you were
speeding when you got a ticket and you shouldn't get a ticket because the
other motorist got away? Same difference.

Your case is not that you don't like Hoffa or Mack or Freitas or that you love embezzling TDU leaders. If you really think it is then see if you can
convince your friend Randy what hot peppers you really are and represent
him. See what kind of friends you will be looked at when you are
responsible for losing his job. It is pretty slanderous to be accusing Marty
Freitas, Chuck Mack, your local or the panel of delibarately tanking the guy.
It is also a pretty cheap shot attack method to keep you guys and Randy for
taking responsiblity for what happened. Why didn't you guys testify at his
hearing? Where was the fact gathering by the friends of Randy? Did I miss
some of that when I read your posts and links? Didn't think so.

If you want to win, quit focusing that you are sore losers when your political
enemies democratically won an election and focus on the facts of your
case. Otherwise, you will prove to me and everyone else including the
judge in the NLRB case that your only purpose is to be a sore loser and
sling mud or I will hear that you are getting your butt kicked by the judge in
traffic court too!

If Randy is really innocent and you guys are really his friends then best
wishes. If you are just using this as a forum to sling mud instead, as I
suspect then I say shame on you for being a disgrace to our great union
and I hope you all get what you deserve.

Re: Randy's friends miss ship!

Posted By: Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com (209.66.83.101)
Saturday, 19 June 1999, at 12:59 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Randy's friends miss ship! (SacTmstr@aol.com)

You are so full of horse pucky but I just got to love ya. Again, everyone will
have their say in front of a jury and they shall decide this case not you or I.
If you were the guy who got screwed you would be the one doing the suing.
I do believe You would have the courage to stand up for your rights.  Judging from your posts you are not a man of few words. Grace be upon
you!

Re: Randy's friends miss ship!

Posted By: Ted <swandivr@gte.net (1cust184.tnt1.beaverton.or.da.uu.net)
Saturday, 19 June 1999, at 9:11 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Randy's friends miss ship! (SacTmstr@aol.com)

Righteous post Brother!  More important to me is that they relish using the
name Chuck Mack, one of the most respected names in the Teamsters
Union.  If they had a legit beef they would just post that their B.A. let them
down.  Using specific names is just to discredit, in my opinion.  Had to post a response, as your posts on this subject are perfect, and if you know Chuck
you know what a priviledge it is to have him representing the membership
in the West, and I resent the insinuation that he; in any way, played any part
in this "Brothers" difficulty.  Shame on them, who would discredit our
leadership for political expediency.

Re: Randy's friends miss ship!

Posted By: big daddy <llutzko@centuryinter.net (ppp154.lr.centuryinter.net)
Saturday, 19 June 1999, at 12:20 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Randy's friends miss ship! (Ted)

I SURE HOPE THE THE HOFFA PEOPLE OUT THERE HAVE A LOT
MORE CLASS THAN THAT.  IF THEY DON'T SHAME ON THEM.  IT
SOUNDS LIKE HE WAS A CARY SUPPORTER AND NOW THERE
PUTTING HIS FACE IN IT.  BUT I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING THAT THE LAWYER WILL DO TAKE YOUR MONEY EVEN IF HE KNOWS ITS A LOSER.  MOST CONTRACTS STATE THAT PROBLEMS THAT ARISE BETWEEN EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES SHALL BE SETTLED BY ARBITRATION.  YOU HAVE TO THREATEN WITH A LAWSUIT BUT DON'T SPEND TO MUCH MONEY.  BECAUSE, A JUDGE MIGHT SAY GO BACK AND FIGURE IT OUT.  IF ANY BODY KNOWS OF A CASE WHERE SOMEONE SUED AND WON DEALING WITH THE UNION AND THE COMPANY AS DEFENDANTS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.  GOOD LUCK!!!

Re: Randy's friends miss ship!

Posted By: DriverDale <DriverDale@aol.com (spider-wc053.proxy.aol.com)
Saturday, 19 June 1999, at 12:56 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Randy's friends miss ship! (big daddy)

After reading the lawsuit, if the facts they allege are true, Mr. Olson had a
very winable grievance. He clearly was within the three year total for LOA,
the year between 2 and 3 was not covered by a written document but his
contract addresses that situation.  His grievance was filed in a timely
manner. Art 7 Sec 4 provided that he should have been in a "working
termination" status once UPS notified him of termination. If the procedural facts regarding the Grievance Panel in Reno are as Mr. Olson alleges, then I believe that the Teamsters Union grossly violated their fiduciary responsibilities. Mr. Olson's case should have been decided on the facts alone, however it does appear that politics has invaded his case. Mr. Olson makes a very good case, proving it will be very difficult. I hope a judge throws this ball back to the Union and UPS (don't count on it). I anxiously await a response from those who represented Mr. Olson to defend their position.

Re: Randy Olson is/was Mack suprtr

Posted By: T_Force <t_force@Teamster.Net (proxy-398.public.rwc.webtv.net)
Saturday, 19 June 1999, at 7:25 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Randy's friends miss ship! (DriverDale)

Randy Olson's picture and statement appeared in Chuck Mack's campaign
material in the first Teamster national elections identifying himself as one of
Chuck Mack's staunchest supporters and lauding Mack's great
represntation skills. He has also inthe past repeatedly praised Marty Freitas
his local 70 ba in many Union and public forums. Rumour has it that he
worked and was part owner of a non-Union company during his leave of
absence and following his discharge until his outfit recently went out of
business. Olson tried to get elected to a delegate position but was badly
rejected by Local 70's membership but was subsequently rewarded for his
failed efforts and picked up by the TDU and Carries' minions to serve as a
segeant of arms for the IBT at the 1996 Convention so that he could
participate in the harassment of legitimate brothers and sisters. This phony
malcreant and his phony shyster deserve each other and Olson's next act
will probably be to sue the shyster for malpactice when his case gets
dumped in court. It is indeed a shame that Local 70 or any Union has to
waste our hard earned dues money to defend itself against bogus an
politically generated lawsuits. T_Force

Re: Randy Olson is not Mack suprtr

Posted By: The Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com
(1cust86.tnt10.sfo3.da.uu.net)
Sunday, 20 June 1999, at 2:00 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Randy Olson is/was Mack suprtr (T_Force)

Randy has a well-documented history of being politically opposed to Chuck
Mack and Marty Frates.

Randy endeavored to do a number of jobs during his recuperation in order
to feed his family. There is no fault in that.

We, the friends of Randy Olson, invite everyone to come to court. All the
facts will come out. We invite you, and all the readership of Teamster Net,
to attend the trial and see for yourself. We will keep everyone posted as to
when court appearances are scheduled.

This will be a great opportunity for everyone to listen to and learn from our
Union Officials. Let's observe Chuck Mack and Marty Frates as they
explain their actions to a jury. Randy and his friends are looking forward to
our day in court.

Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued

Posted By: C.I. Toldyouso <free@last.com (spider-wi012.proxy.aol.com)
Saturday, 19 June 1999, at 9:26 p.m.

In Response To: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (Friends of Randy Olson)

Geez, I recognize that voice from somebody else's webpage. Could it be
the self appointed "steward"? I'm going to save all of the political pundets
comments and when this is finally over and the facts{not just the
allegations} speak for themselves, then we shall see if those that are so
quick to condemn Chuck Mack and Local 70, will be equally as speedy to
apologize.

Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued

Posted By: Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com (209.66.83.101)
Saturday, 19 June 1999, at 10:52 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (C.I. Toldyouso)

You are right about the voice. The same person did the announcement clip
on both the Steward and the Randy Olson Page. Good voice huh?
Condemnation of Chuck Mack and Local 70 is not so quick. It has been
brewing for many years.

Mr. Mack is a brilliant strategist but then so was "Darth Vader". He still
could win if he turns towards "The Light" and shuns the Evil Empire.

I agree, we shall see who is victorious. May the force be with you!

Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued

Posted By: SacTmstr@aol.com <SacTmstr@aol.com> (spider-pa054.proxy.aol.com)
Sunday, 20 June 1999, at 5:08 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (C.I. Toldyouso)

So when Randy gets his clock cleaned by his attorney who bills him big
bucks for the large quantities of smoke he blew up his tail and the NLRB
throughs it out then we will no doubt get the Friends of Randy society to
have a new post with a new voiced message by this familiar voice. Here is
the potential script of this new voice message. "Randy needs your help. He
has been listening to so-called friends who are full of horse pucky and have
smoked so many peyote buttons that they now are attempting to smoke the
horse pucky too. They listened to the evil empire with Darth Paff and read
too many of their own press reports until they were convinced that their folly
would lead to fortune and that the road to ruins was the quickest path to
success. The friends of Randy would like to apologize to Randy and all
others we failed or set up......

Think that we would hear that kind of apology? NOT!!!

Sounds like his so called friends are just political mudslingers...and if
Randy is innocent and deserved to keep his job then their mud may have
kept this so called clean case from seeing a victory for Bro. Randy.

Posted By: Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com (209.66.83.101)
Sunday, 20 June 1999, at 6:30 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (SacTmstr@aol.com)

We The Friends of Randy Olson are profoundly grateful that you have
chosen Mr. Mack's and Mr. Frates' side. Thank You!

Therefore we still have got to love ya. May the force be with you.

Posted By: Daniel P Kane <LuvTrish@msn.com> (1cust15.tnt2.covina.ca.da.uu.net)
Sunday, 20 June 1999, at 9:50 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (Friends of Randy Olson)

I'm just asking a question what I read from this case.  This case is going to
federal court, not the N.L.R.B.  The difference between the two is one is
heard in front of a judge and jury.  Under the N.L.R.B. its heard by a
administrative judge only and the judge makes the decision.  Be free to
correct me. Your Union Brother, Daniel P Kane Teamster Local 63

Posted By: Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com> (209.66.83.101)
Sunday, 20 June 1999, at 11:43 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (Daniel P Kane)

Randy selected to go with his attorney and a jury in federal court as
opposed to the NLRB route. There are less chances of back room
manipulations. The NLRB over the years has been rendered quite
ineffective. Both lobbyist from companies and unions have worked to
achieve that goal. The NLRB is supposed to protect the worker from the
corrupt companies and corrupt unions. Many companies and unions have
worked hard to protect themselves from the workers. The workers don't
have lobbyists but the companies and unions do. That needs to change!

Posted By: DriverDale <DriverDale@aol.com> (spider-wc022.proxy.aol.com)
Monday, 21 June 1999, at 12:49 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (Friends of Randy Olson)

Damn you people, the cancer spreads. Go back to the facts of this case as
alleged by Mr. Olson. Was he improperly terminated from UPS and did the
Teamsters Union represent him to the best of their ability? Who cares
where his political aspirations lie. Did the Teamsters represent Mr. Olson's
position or did they "tank" him?

Posted By: Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com> (209.66.83.101)
Monday, 21 June 1999, at 2:54 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (DriverDale)

DriverDale, yes he was improperly terminated. Yes he was not properly
defended by Local 70. Randy's BA Marty Frates is the highest paid in the
local according to the 1996 LM-2 report. He is considered by most to be the
right hand man of V.P. chuck Mack. He has been a BA for eons and a
chimp would have won the grievance. Therefore the grievance was lost
intentionally. This is the opinion of the friends of Randy Olson. The case
will unfold in court and it is going to be very revealing.

Posted By: Tony Ascione <LittleItalia891@Hotmail.com> (proxy-388.public.rwc.webtv.net)
Monday, 21 June 1999, at 3:30 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (Friends of Randy Olson)

I find it hard to believe that a man with Chuck Mack's expertise and
experience would leave himself, his BA's and his local wide open to a
charge like this. In losing a grievance intentionally, you have not done your
duty in representing your members. It will be interesting to see the outcome
of this. It's a shame that this has to go to the courts.

What happens if you and you're man lose? Will you be satisfied then?

Posted By: Daniel P Kane <LuvTrish@msn.com> (1cust153.tnt1.covina.ca.da.uu.net)
Monday, 21 June 1999, at 7:17 a.m.

In Response To: Just thinking out loud (Tony Ascione)

As a worker, you hope that you would get the best representation from your
local.  If, they feel that your not a threat politically, they'll fight for you.  Now here's a twist. U.P.S. and some locals work very closely together and make deals.  Whats best for them.  Not for the employee or member.  It's called self interest.  I have dealt with the N.L.R.B. and its no picnic.  One minute, I'm going to court and the next in summary judgment and lost.  Next, 9th circuit court of appeals and I won.  Concerted union activity within the union.  This whole process took 5 years and 10 months to get my job back with 6 others.  I had a retire President of the local to testify against me, shop-steward, and 3 union brothers.  1 person in that group told the truth and it was a co-worker that didn't like me.  Thats a man and I respect him even more.  This experience happen to me in Teamster Local 396. It's a shame that Randy Olson had to go this way but that's life.  My opinion, if I was going to court. I, would go thru the federal court instead of the N.L.R.B.. Teamster members need to be represented whoever they support.  This is how you win trust.  The truth will come out in the wash. Your Union Brother, Daniel
P. Kane

Posted By: SacTmstr@aol.com <SacTmstr@aol.com> (spider-pa072.proxy.aol.com)
Monday, 21 June 1999, at 4:13 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (Friends of Randy Olson)

You guys need to have a random drug test dropped on you. The Union
worked hard at making the NLRB ineffective you say??? The Union works
hard at protecting itself from it's members you say?

Where does someone pick up friends with ideas as far out there as yours?
At Columbine? At Ted Kazinski's cabin in Montana? You guys are too out
there to merely claim you are from the dark side? Heck, I bet Comrade Paff
and his merry bunch of TDU embezzlers and assorted other losers would
be nervous to see you coming at him ...especially if you were wearing a
postal uniform.

If Randy is anything like you he has to be as sharp as a marble. They didn't
fire him for stupidity did they?

By the way, you never did answer where you and the rest of Randy's know
it all friends were at Randy's hearing. Why didn't you add to the
presentation of his case? Why didn't you gather information about his case
for him? Too busy playing politics and Monday morning quarterback or
were you just too busy reading your idea of balanced literature such as the
unibombers manifesto?

Posted By: Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com> (209.66.83.101)
Monday, 21 June 1999, at 2:49 p.m.

In Response To: Re:Friends of Randy need drug test (SacTmstr@aol.com)

It is real obvious that you have not thoroughly read the materials that are
posted on the Randy Olson web site. There are many pages of
documentation that are relevant to Randy's case. There will me much
gathered in the discovery process through the courts. There will be
depositions taken and interrogatories before this case is heard.

If you had read the material posted you would know that Randy was not
allowed to attend the grievance panel.

Teamster local 70 refused to gather relevant information from UPS and this
is all documented.

To use your words, Comrade Paff does not know about this case unless he
read it on Teamster.net. But we will email him today to notify TDU about
this case. Thanks for the suggestion.

I suspect that if Chuck Mack stuck a hot poker in your hind quarter you
would feel it was done with your best interest in mind. Perhaps you'd swoon
in ecstasy and feel honored because it was done by the hand of the
"Immaculate Mack".

Keep up the good work and keep the posts coming.

Posted By: SacTmstr@aol.com <SacTmstr@aol.com> (spider-tl031.proxy.aol.com)
Monday, 21 June 1999, at 8:42 p.m.

In Response To: Re:Friends of Randy need drug test (Friends of Randy Olson)

Sounds like Randy's friends have had some sexual experience with hot
pokers. Couldn't speak from personal experience in that area so I will just
have to take their word that in their personal experience a hot poker will
have you swooning in ecstacy. I do support Chuck Mack. I also support my
wife and kids, my friends and much of the IBT leadership. I even supported
a few of the ones we booted out. I didn't find all of them bad all of the time.
The same can be said of Mack, friends, family, etc. Not all good all of the
time...not all bad all of the time.

I don't go out there with a broad brush and paint everything ugly for political expediency, put blinders on my eyes nor use hot pokers for personal sexual gratification...the same apparently can not necessarily be said with the
same certainty of the Friends of Randy.

You have proven to me that your interest is political. If Randy is actually
innocent behind all this political manure that you are pitching then I wish
him well. Time for me to quit this series of posts. Thgis is politics and not
worth wasting my time or others time with it seems. I'll let you continue to
play with yourselves.

Posted By: Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com> (209.66.83.101)
Monday, 21 June 1999, at 9:59 p.m.

In Response To: Re:Friends of Randy need drug test (SacTmstr@aol.com)

I have enjoyed our word duels and you have been a good sport. I heartily
agree that no one is always good or always bad and that includes Mr.
Mack.

You are correct this issue is very political and politics is the origin of
Randy's case. If it had not been so, Randy would be on the job today.
Teamster politics does reek of manure but that is the nature of the beast.

Let's do this again soon.

The Friends of Randy Olson.

Posted By: DriverDale <DriverDale@aol.com> (spider-wd023.proxy.aol.com)
Thursday, 24 June 1999, at 12:50 a.m.

In Response To: Re:Friends of Randy need drug test (DANNY)

I am also growing weary of this. It is apparent that constructive dialog is
"Out the Window." The burning question that should be asked by 1.5-plus
million Teamsters all across this country is, "Was Mr. Olson `Tanked` by his
Union Representatives for political reasons?" Mr. Olson has presented his
facts here in open forum, I have seen nothing from those people who
represented him. One last thought, an innocent man shouts from the
mountaintops------oh yes, I'm not a TDU'er or a Hoffa soldier. I am a
Teamster. Mr. Hoffa is our President and as such I will support his
endeavors on my behalf. All teamsters have the right to fair representation.
That is the only way it can be!

Dale

Posted By: Ted <swandivr@gte.net> (1cust157.tnt1.beaverton.or.da.uu.net)
Saturday, 26 June 1999, at 8:49 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Mack's Teamsters Local 70&UPS Sued (C.I. Toldyouso)

Right you are C.I....they will just assume another moniker and continue to
sling shi# in hopes they can fool a few weak members...That's all they can
hope to get....the weak and uninformed.

Posted By: Friends of Randy Olson <olsonsfriends@aol.com> (209.66.83.101)
Saturday, 26 June 1999, at 2:32 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Randy Olson is/was Mack suprtr (Ted)

It is your right to side with Goliath. Mr. Mack is a Teamster V.P., President
of Joint Council 7 and Long time Secretary-Treasure of Local 70. Mr. Mack
is probably the most influential and prominent Teamster on the West coast.
It was stated in an earlier post by someone that Mr. Mack is the most
prominent Teamster other than Mr. Hoffa. Mr. Mack is very resourceful
strategically and Financially.

Mr. Mack's defense in court will be paid by the resources of Local 70. The
law firm he has retained is Beeson, Tayer and Bodine. Possibly the most
prominent, pro-union law firm in California. They are capable of a withering
assault. Mr. Mack and B.A. Mr. Frates will have the best defense money
can buy.

Bare in Mind that Randy is up against Teamsters Local 70 and United
Parcel Service combined. Local 70 and UPS are on the same side and are
united to destroy our friends life.

On the other hand Mr. Olson is Loved by many and liked by allot but he
does not have the resources and the prominence of Mr. Mack or of Mr.
Mack's Ally UPS. Randy Olson's attorney will be paid for with Randy's
limited resources and those of his friends.

Randy was injured in an auto accident. He was illegally fired by UPS. Did
Mr. Mack and Mr. Frates allow Randy to be kicked by UPS when he was
down? Did Mr. Mack and Mr. Frates kick Randy when he was down? I
believe they did.

Randy is a second generation Teamster. He has paid his dues and he had
the rights to a vigorous defense and he did not receive it.

Randy is David and Mr. Mack is Goliath. I believe a jury will side with Randy
and not with Goliath.